business community and friday, there's a meeting with harry reid, mitch mcconnell, house speaker john boehner and nancy pelosi. so, will we get a deal? one man getting a lot of attention is erskine bowles. did you ever think your name would be part of pop culture? you are the bowles in simpson bowles. >> better be simpson bowles than bowles simpson since everybody knows him by his initials here in washington. >> so, when you talk about things, sacred cows, untouchables, whatever the word might be, in your proposal, the one paul ryan decided not to back, the one barack obama decided not to back, you had an increase in the federal gasoline tax. caps on mortgage interest. charitable donations and retirement contributions. these were all top choices. you also increased the eligibility age for medicare and social security. reduced benefits for wealthier seniors. some of those things average democrats and republicans say they agree on, other, they loathe them. is there anything that should be untouchable? >> the problems are real, no easy way out. we've got to come up with at least $4 trillion of d